There are certainly inhabits a parallel universe. How do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism? Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? Both are still available, the Darkthrone is recently reissued I believe. In this game you can test them all. too far away from "fun" of some kind, the music could end up It allows entry to people that have a large amount of one musical talent but little of another. Black metal is a lot more lyrically varied, some bands sing about paganism, some sing about the Vikings, some about the forests, some about hobbits, etc. situations. Hence, rather than warping Muddy Waters riffs into uncomfortable shapes, the Punkers stuck to the "Chuck Berry Chords". "; Punkers are more even-handed with women. rules just seem to be getting progressively weirder and more But, believe you me, theres as much distance between Metal and Punk as there is between Metal and Country and Western. Experimenting with the boundaries of distortion/aesthetics, but one at the rediculously fast & complex/rigid end, and the other at the rediculously slow and psychedelic/morphing end. Sort of a more punishing type of no-wave.) Extreme repetition of medieval themes on synthetic orchestras with the guitars only as a layered buzzsaw texture underneath and huge "larger than life" thundering resounding-through-the-mountains percussion and vocals. probably wrong about this; is there a more sensible connection Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? This might not be easy to find... Darkthrone "Transilvanian Hunger" - review here and Burzum "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" - review Great stuff, basically folk melodies in epic Wagnerized structures, played by a band that overflows with hatred against everyone and everything (they're blatant nazis too...). And at the best of times, I think both succeded. In fact, the 90s is largely built on the innovations of the "college rock"/"indie" musics made by bands that built entire careers on exploring those ideas first opened up by Punkers (and "proto"-punkers like the Modern Lovers or the Velvet Underground.). Of course there are exceptions to every rule. i am On their latest album they've got this huge spectacle piece "Farewell" (for the downloaders, 6:58) where they wheel everything out but the kitchen sink, choirs and all, HUGE thundering production - with the guitars somewhere in the back as a wall of background distortion. To illustrate, just go to Audiogalaxy and download Gorguts "The Carnal State" (3:07). One of the biggest differences between punk and metal lies in technique. ― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Kris, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― briania, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― chaki, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Sean, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Me. And even the ones who can't sing that well, make themselves clearly understood...and they are easy and fun to imitate. So, Sabbath all the way. ), but if you download Sort Vokter "Kveldstimer" you'll get an idea. The metal ― Dr. C, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Bluegerm, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. I would not paint the metal vs punk picture as b/w as people often make it out to be. Where do you place the shedding of the blues legacy that took place after the speed/thrash wave of the early 80s - the move towards atonality and chromatic scales, syncopated riffs and tempi, the turn to classical and folk structures, themes and melodies instead of the established pentatonics and the classic verse-chorus-solo-verse rock structures, and the voice-as-distorted-instrument, developments that started with Slayer and Terrorizer, through Morbid Angel, Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Gorguts et al? From there, they diverged into two forms with a significantly different fan base. stories. It is my personal preference. ― Kris, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, How could anything be better than the Bible? No to mention that the Slam/Mash pit started with Punk not Metal. This test is not based on any scientific study whatsoever. here or there, maybe kicked someone in the crotch...but never actually. It's one of those "what next?" Punk vs Metal. to fuck isn't intellectual but it is something many of us have This would also be quite subjective. ASSWIPE JUNKIES www.facebook.com/Ass-Wipe-Junkies-964643593665463. democratic (anyone can play in an Oi band, hardly anyone can I second (or eighth) the omigodyougottahearthis rave for Gorguts' Punk is more often political with sharper commentary that Metal. ), Nope. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by antonkk, May 17, 2011. ? Metal - generally speaking is, like most other forms of music, the whole thing - lyrics, rhythm, structure, changes - everything that most other forms of music contain. _Obscura_. Its as if the band went out and deliberately looked for the most interesting lyric-writing malcontent on their block. Average Speed Metal song length: 7'11".) What makes them metal? how does all the 'nu skool' punk (pennywise, nofx, fat wreckchords, I'm lazy as hell. Home Forums > Discussions > Music Corner > METAL vs PUNK. All of their songs sound the same and their lead vocals sound like a retard on novacaine. The kids like it because -vs- "uh, er, no way man, punk. Women   |  Men   |  Couples   |  Adults   |  Kids   |  Living   |  Health   |  Career   |  Animals   |  Entertainment   |  Food   |  Personality   |  Technology   |  Sport   |  Travel, Action   |  Adventure   |  Romance   |  Long   |  Historical   |  Horror   |  Nonfiction   |  Poetry   |  Realistic   |  Fantasy   |  Science fiction It was originally used as a catch-all for the music that emerged after punk rock, including punk itself, but may be viewed retrospectively as a more accessible counterpart of post-punk. Sadly, no. But it all really boils down to the final goal of these two most anti-social of Western Musics: I honesty love both. Not to mention the all-star lineup which basically consisted of the four most proficient musicians in the genre of that time. 0 0. Rhythm of Cruelty: Musical Technique. instrumentalists who are able to grunt along while playing their   |  Short i also am in awe of the information bulk on this thread. Punk accuses metal of being meaningless, wanky, and elitist. Hardcore punk, street punk and Oi! Do these bands Punk is for the same kids a few Log in or Sign up. narrow as the music gets progressively more exploratory and All tension, no release. almost formal element of the genre; you sing many-syllable synonyms An all-girl Metal band is a novelty act. I like many genres in music, but the aggressiveness of punk and metal are what really get my gears going. in terms of music, are death metal bands but instead sing about, say, Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees)**. Both genres take heavy influence from each other, so it’s often hard to tell the difference with modern bands. And Napalm Death/grindcore did come out of the political crust scene -- Discharge, Chaos UK, et al. Lv 5. Metal fans see punk and hardcore as diluting the purity or integrity of metal, except for in cases of crust punk and grindcore. Because of this disgust for needless cruft and circumlocution, Punk songs contain more "open space" and less length. Punk vs Metal Question 2 out of 29 Do you always wear black? Although punk is definitely politically engaged and extremely class conscious, "Too Drunk To Fuck" is hardly the epitome of intellect. I assume there have been no musical leaps since then? captured last night after beating a hippee to death with a Gold other kinds of metal). The vocal conventions of the genre were put in place by Death, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, in the late 80's and haven't changed much since. irrelevant to most fans of death metal then? While the kids get along much better these days, punk and metal fans hated each other with a fiery passion in the '70s and '80s, and some of that mutual animosity still lingers today. Metallica was interesting in their use of solid songwriting and highly melodic themes within the context of the speed metal wave of 1981-84, the one that spawned Anthrax/Testament/Megadeth/etc and the Sodom/Kreator/Destruction triumvirate in Germany. This is why many Recommended by The Wall Street Journal Fun. I think part of the death/dismemberment Folks that diss Metal dispise the musics lack of a moral center: it's all sex,drugs and rock'n'roll. I basically Somehow everything is really, really stagnated in metal in the last four, five years. added Rorschach (2) / Operation Mindfuck - Rorschach / Operation Mindfuck to their wantlist. I hate all that Heavy Metal Hard Rock Junk. Punk vs Metal. The chronological progression line in Metal as far as major purely musical innovations go would be somewhat like Black Sabbath (1969), Judas Priest (1976), Iron Maiden (1979), Slayer (1982), Hellhammer/Celtic Frost (1984), Bathory (1985), Sodom (1985), Terrorizer (1985), Napalm Death (1985), Death (1985), Morbid Angel (1986), Sarcofago (1987), Suffocation (1989), Paradise Lost (1990), Darkthrone (1991), Immortal (1991), Burzum (1991), Cryptopsy (1995), Graveland (1995), Summoning (1996), Gorguts (1998). (sorry, I In my experience at least, there's a certain undercurrent of people within metal fandom who have gotten this weird idea that you can't like any style of music other than metal and be a TRVE METALHEAD. Probably also just to signify what is and isn't metal, The only two truly useful Metal bands of the 80s (Metallica and Guns'n'Roses) were able to make their mark because they sounded different. This created a lot of laughably pretentious double albums...but little good music. Questions. play like Cryptopsy) and much harier. There are death Punk vs. Metal. harder. either structurally (shorter songs, much less emphasis on Something that struck me a few years ago: both metal and punk reject society (the whole rebel/outcast/don't wash/etc attitude), but express it differently. Short Ick! Punk - true punk, not this new wave of pop crap (some of it is kinda catchy - but it's not punk) is about personal expression of views and ideas, not the music - that's secondary. HOWEVER, I cannot stand the Ramones. Boys like drawing skulls. More evidence that Custos The entire New Wave pop movement grew in the ashes of the Punk. We look back on the prejudice and aggression that fuelled the battle of Los Angeles The rivalry between LA’s punk and metal fans during the 1980s was a complex and confusing one. Summoning "Minas Morgul" or "Dol Guldur" (the later albums have their moments but have some weak material). Duty now for the fun-free future! METAL! jess i now have to rewrite my NOISE piece AGAIN!! Chewbacca-ass posuer twit!". So to summarize, many Punkers are bad or unexceptional (yet weirdly compelling singers), while Metal singers are aggressively irksome. between the lyrics and the clearly-well-planned music? But, believe you me, theres as much distance between Metal and Punk as there is between Metal and Country and Western. And I love how technical metal is and has more advance guitar playing most of the time. 2 1. dman63. And thrash metal is a mix of British heavy metal and hardcore punk. fuck off!" Death metal is, by its nature, pretty much But Punk gets labeled 'stark' or 'minimalist'. June 9, 2011 5.0 out of 5 stars 1 rating. In the mid 70s, proto-Metallic bands tried to evoke atmosphere by trying to aping the complexity and density of Classical Music. Perhaps you're a hybrid? Punk withers by comparison. All three are loud and harsh music forms having evolved from the original rock music. theme is simply that the whole genre pretty much promotes a sought to do away with the frivolities introduced in the later years of the original punk movement. Also, Metal requires at least 4 members (drummer, lead guitar, rhythm guitar and a bassist) whereas Punk suggests a "power trio" (preferably a drummer and a bassist plus at least one other instrument.) Even the continued existence of Metal owes a debt to Punk. Or rather, what makes them not metal? And that was four, five years ago. massive gap in the amount of care/craft/whatever that goes into the actually write songs with no tonal centre? Thank you! where the jocks and the freaks were fighting "punk is junk! Iron Maiden drew influence from punk in the late 70s, Venom plundered Motorheads material, Slayer took their influence from the hardcore bands from the early 80s, Napalm Death came from the crustcore scene. 1 decade ago. i am intrigued by what sounds like a pretty And very few people have It has more diversity, and a lot of my favorite metal bands have a punk influence. Charlie Parra has had over 33 million view on his YouTube channel alone and his boxset of jam tracks including Speed F*cks, Rocanrol Psycho and Punk vs Metal, all taken from his album Procrastination, accounts for over 3 million of those views! Graveland "Thousand Swords", "Following The Voice Of Blood" or "Immortal Pride". Seems like the process of "abandoning the 'fun' factor" is well No bull shit. All Rights Reserved. Steve Hoffman Music Forums. ), not to mention Sick of it All, and later Metal bands like Entombed went punk, Machine Head plundered the 80s thrash riffs in 1994, bands like Slipknot redid Pantera's trick again, this time adding late 80s Death Metal tempi into their mix of Pantera/Machine Head hardcore-based moshcore. Between Siegbran, Kris and John Darnielle I've learned more about Siegbran, it seems as though the move towards atonality and manic syncopation in metal reached its peak (in different ways) with Cryptopsy "None So Vile" and Gorguts "Obscura", but even the last Gorguts album seemed to back off a bit from what "Obscura" implied, and I haven't followed much contemporary death metal. Which created a lot of laughably pretentious people...but very few decent poets. ** all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, ), sorry. Maybe you're more metal. rules!" The whole genre is certainly a punk/metal hybrid. Both should not be too hard to find...a nice review of "Obscura" here. "Skullfucking Armageddon" obviously appeals more to the drunk blokes at gigs than to the armchair analyst trying to find meaning in lyrics. Scores of punkers like metal and vice versa. Death "Individual Thought Patterns" - their most technical and 'freaky' sounding album, this is not dissonant or especially "brutal" yet the loose feeling and excellent songwriting makes this very interesting. its all about surfing! This is a band that essentially plays medieval/tolkien spirited soundtrack pieces on synth (no money for a real orchestra) with echoing screamed vocals and a stream of distorted guitars underneath. RFI re "atonality" in modern non-mainstream metal. Punk vs Metal. People looking for extreme energy in music could gravitate Or do they have atonal complicated parts. I probably should've included them, or perhaps Winter or Thergothon in the list for this doom/sludge psychedelic-distortion-orgy genre. nation has always been a strange one, with its own rules; the 5 years ago. One strange thing I've noticed is this: LA Punk is very brutal and agressive, whereas LA Metal wallows in flouncy Glam and makeup. piece of rock music. I don't think that one is really that much better than the other when you take the best of each genre. lookout) fit into all this? yeah. think of it as a great lost no-wave album, like if Mars rocked a lot Death, Discordance Axis, Agathocles, Creation is Crucifixion) but By continuing, you agree to Quizony's Privacy Policy and Cookie use. If you asked me "punk vs metal", I would say punk. songs are about specific experiences and states of being. The differences between the two style might be difficult to explain sometimes, but they are still blindingly obvious even from a cursory listen by someone with no training as a musician. intriguing because I don't think I've ever heard a totally atonal Heavy Metal vs Punk. Early Metalheads strived to master the 12-bar, 6-Chord Blues Masters of the Mississippi Delta (sometimes, with a modicum of genuine respect. START. $0.99 Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. Metal 112 vote(s) 44.8% Punk … Case in point: Iron Maidens 2-3 "history lessons" and literature themed songs on every album (Rime of the Ancient Mariner), the Edgar A. Poe, Lovecraft and William Blake themes in the last 20 years, the Nietzschean anti-Judeochristian-values themes in modern metal ("Grand Declaration of War", "Destroyer: Or How To Philosophize With The Hammer", bands with names like Zarathustra), the return to pre-christian folk melodies and imagery (pompously Wagnerized or not). Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? this? Its all greasy guys yelling about Satan and how much money they have....", OK, who's going to be the first to bring up Motorhead? Charlie Parra Del RiegoPunk vs Metal℗ 2011 Flatdajel RecordsReleased on: 2011-06-09Auto-generated by YouTube. Wondering whether you're metal or punk? Punk (Old School 1970-1990) Punk cares little about what metal dose but metal has been ripping off Punk, Glam, and Goth fashion since the late 1970s. killed each other over anything Chuck Eddy has said. experenced, not many of us have had a pint with Zarathusa. The Patti Smith Group are revered as genuine artists. Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. ― John Darnielle, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― A Nairn, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. lyrics; part of the problem is that due to the highly percussive, Esoteric "Metamorphogenesis" - well, just read this review. Theres a couple doctorate degrees floating around in there, too. This is definitely a memorable group. It's just a bunch of slashing, dissonant, syncopated riffs (I'm not sure if atonal is really the right term, but there doesn't appear to be a harmonic center, and no tonic resolution at all. Ryan. towards either punk or metal. What are some good recordings of Perhaps hyper-chromaticism made logical by repetition would be more accurate. Also, probably the first to introduce Autechre-like soundscapes in metal? The fusion often involves extreme metal genres and hardcore punk . Bands described as punk metal include Motörhead , [9] Manic Street Preachers , [10] English Dogs , [11] Sum 41 , [12] Rage Against the Machine [13] and L7 . politics or jelly beans? This sounds After a few years of tangling with German drones and Avant Garde ideas, a faction of Punkers began building gloomy cathedrals of sound. Maybe you're more punk. Metal vs Punk. for rotting flesh, etc., because that's the way it works. ); Punkers chant, mutter or bark accusations. Punk Vs. Metal Tab by Charlie Parra Del Riego with free online tab player. Answer these easy questions, and this quiz can help you figure out whether you're more metal or punk! I'd been unaware of until this moment and you brought the knowledge i've come to think about something, theres punk, which isnt necessarily music, its a lifestyle. Because of their lack of formal training, most of the Punkers started out sounding either primitive or rather Avant Garde. for traditional vocals. Very inspirational music at least, although their last two albums do add a bit too much saccharine to the mix. Yes Sometimes. Poked out and eye avant garde. Tracks to download: "Thurisaz", "Sons Of Fire And Steel", "Thousand Swords". All in all, the amount of classically trained musicians in metal is indicative of the tendency to produce bands that "say it with the music" more than the punk way of treating music as a tool to get the (political/nihilist) message across. Hence, while some of the American Hardcore Punk bands transformed over time until Metal, all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees) were bands that started out as Punks. One accurate version. confessed to numerous "Heavy Metal" inspired slayings. Contrast this with Punker frontmen and frontwomen. Average Metal song length: 4'30" (And ironically enough, some of the longest songs in the Metal Genre...are usually from "Speed Metal" bands like Metallica. stories, Home  |  Advertise  |  Contact  |  About  |  Privacy Policy  |  Cookie Policy. I'm not sure how much your typical hesher gets into these bands tend also to be heavily influenced by punk or noise, From the acid addled Julian Cope to the menacingly bloozy Nick Cave. instrumental complexity) or culturally (crustier looking, artsier Metalhead frontmen are generally big-voiced pretty boys. What do you mean by this? that's too much to read. Its roots can be traced to earlier punk scenes in San Francisco and Southern California which arose as a reaction against the still predominant hippie cultural climate of the time. Songs can be in strange keys or include mangled, thuggish sonics...because the Punker is doing this all by ear. I know metal and punk are sort of related especially in the 80s with thrash bands and and crossover bands like Slayer who were both metal and punk. the adults don't, etc. All Ildjarn/Sort Vokter material is out of print as far as I know (perhaps Vidar Vaaer himself has some stock left? easy to find. Although there are lots of "could've been" scenarios: what if Burzum had spawned a whole new "ambient/drone metal" genre? metal songs have fantasy/mythological devil figures representing a The infamous 'Son of Chuck' was This was the roots of "Goth" music. I don't think the demographics for punk/hardcore/nu-metal on one side and metal on the other side differ *that* much. 1.2 Blackster vs Anarchopunk; 1.3 Folk vs Irish; 1.4 Viking vs Straight edge; 1.5 Goth metal vs Post-punk (il dark originale) 1.6 Nu metal vs Skater punk; 1.7 Poser vs Poser; 1.8 Epic/power vs Steampunk; 1.9 Speed vs Hardcore; 1.10 Death vs Horror; 1.11 Heavy vs Punk Rock; 2 Voci correlate Metal and punk have crossed each others' paths often in history. What was the show Do what Siegbran suggested earlier and download "The Carnal State" by Gorguts. level 2. It's blues-based 70's rock 'n roll with bad attitude and bad hair (which is enjoyable in many ways, mind you - don't we all love sleazy dirty rock 'n roll? I can't think of any Punker who tries the operatic shriek, and I've never heard any Metalheads mumble all the lyrics in a monotone. I would say Metal only got *really* interesting once it had shed its blues/rock 'n roll legacy and started going into atonal/anti-aesthetic nomansland (ie, the developments in the past 15, 20 years), coupled with the abandoning of the "fun" factor in metal. Both appeal to young musical 'thrillseekers', those looking for a way of life typified by raw energy and extreme viewpoints. I would say they are just as metal as a Cryptopsy/Gorguts (and just as far from "classic" 70s/early 80s heavy metal), but on the other end of the spectrum. are death metal bands who don't even have lyrics. Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. Hence, Punk-rock bands boast colorful characters. Maybe you're more punk. Probably writing in Crayon. And would sooner give up their guitarist than their bassist. What Gorguts do in terms of atonality/dissonance is probably best explained by themselves - Guitar.com had a feature on them with downloadable guitar lesson videoclip where the guitarist and bassist explain what their approach to songwriting is, it's here: http://www.guitar.com/features/viewfeature.asp?featureID=2, Actually, the Gorguts feature on Guitar.com is. On a certain level, the only thing that makes these bands "metal" at all is their song titles and their record labels, correct? Music is an expression of attitude and emotions of the artist and has served as a reflection of the times especially in the case of grunge, punk, and metal music. Its no mystery why metal fans are hostile to metalcore and the new "pop-mosh" styles like A Day to Remember or AttackAttack. Another thing Metal took from Punk. Best of it all is the strange 'looseness' with which everything is played. Intermediate Metal 1 Track. Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? Lv 7. Punk is garage rockabilly played by anarchists (but with a Rasta Reggae tinge to the bass). quizony.com Â© . metal underway in other genres, too. What kinds of tunings do they use? metal fans who swear they can understand the lyrics, and there The attitude towards sex strikes me as wildly different as well. From the sultry dominitrix/chanteuse Siouxsie Sioux to the stumpy, brace-toothed hare krishna Poly Styrene; From the monstrous 6'11" Aussie ex-lawyer Peter Garrett to the vampirically suave, pencil thin Peter Murphy; From the gangly ragmopped head of Joey Ramone to the smarmy lounge singer that is Lux Interior. I'm glad they got rid of the 80s poodle rockers, but if we get 8 years ago. But both with the metal "spirit" somewhat, the metal lineup, clearly coming from the metal evolutionary tree, ie, Celtic Frost -> Paradise Lost -> Winter -> Thergothon -> Esoteric. Scrap Metal 2 is a 3D car driving game featuring 6 classic race cars: a Dodge Challenger, a Chevrolet Camaro, an Audi S3, a Subaru Imprezza, a Nissan GT, a Ferrari 250 GTO V12 from 1962, and a Lamborgini Huracan. Average Punk song length: 2'10" in length. Find out for sure with this quiz! The style of the vocals differ as well. Also, death metal vocalists are generally splish splash. idea. Renews automatically. political offshoots of death metal, such as grindcore (Napalm Please be as technical as possible. And because Metalheads revere skill and showmanship over straightforwardness, Metal is sometimes described as convoluted, byzantine and busy. ― mark s, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Douglas, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dario, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link, "Punk Rock? Rock vs Punk vs New Wave Rock is a very popular music genre that evolved from rock and roll music during the 50’s in America and slowly spread … Ultradisk version of Kix's Hot Wire; The killer parts: 29 jenn . In a way this is strange, as the two styles share many influences and are both loud, extreme forms of rock music. Find out right now with this fun quiz! Are they into RIO or U Totem-style prog bands? ); Punkers nurtured a tacky, tongue-in-cheek thing for the old rock-n-rollers of the mid 50s. You can't put that Jamaican Skank into your sound with no bass, y'see. Punk has more than its fair share of college-educated intellectuals. while in punk rock, its amped up, fast, rock n roll. Do you mean more that they use a lot of And they sounded different because they had a Punk pedigree (Guns'n'Roses is made of two other bands, one a Glam Rock band, the other a Hardcore Punk band; Metallica's James Hetfield is a vocal supporter of many LA punk bands, especially the Misfits.) Which is what probably saves metal from disappearing into its own pretentious arse a la progrock. Punk went ultra-exclusively in the other direction. Now, I'd be one of the first to say that Genres are bunk, but I have to clarify that Metal and Punk are not only not the same thing, they are very close to being opposites. This also spotlights another important difference. I think metal is for kids who are angry but are too young and Perhaps you're a hybrid? i know less I could go on and on for 10 more pages about how the Punk avoided the major label wankfest of the Metalhead 80s by forming their own record labels and their own distribution net....and how this mixture of boundless freedom and crushing responsibility also changed the sound of the music. on some level. This also opened up another great renaissance in sonic experimentation. :-), Well, for one Chuck Eddy writes in English. packaging). Metal derides punk for being unskilled, simplistic, and political. Its also a clash of cultures. not frontpeople in the typical sense; they're generally Metal (and I'm not trying to be mean-spirited, I'm just stating a provable fact.) 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